Sunday, 5 May 2013

The Paiva-Spencer-Morais-Bennett Debacle

................................................................................................................................................................................................ Gerry McCann: "It is something we raised at Leveson that Madeleine and her safety is often treated with complete contempt"....Carlos Anjos, president of ASFIC/PJ: “What the McCanns did was...they've put on their internet page “We asked the authorities”, but they didn't, because to ask means to send a request to the Prosecutor's Office or to the Judiaciary Police, and that didn't happen. I think what we have here it's some sort of deception.”....................................................
Dear Reader,
This is linked to the McCann case, but has nothing to do with Kate & Gerry McCann. If you're not interested in this case--it's rather boring if you're not--please disregard this Blog posting. I don't intend cluttering this Blog with these people.
None of the comments and opinions below are my own. I wish the McCanns no harm, I have apologised personally to them for my previous comments. For reasons known only to themselves, Ricardo Paiva, Justine Spencer, Joana Morais and Tony Bennett have embroiled themselves in this matter. I never asked to be a part of it.
David Bret
 
 

McCann affair: PJ Inspector caught in internet trap

View previous topic View next topic Go down

McCann affair: PJ Inspector caught in internet trap

Post candyfloss on Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:18 pm
Blimey the news is coming in thick and fast today big grin


McCann affair: PJ Inspector caught in internet trap

10 March 2012 | Posted by Joana Morais Leave a Comment



Enlarge this imageReduce this image Click to see fullsize


A fake profile in the internet enticed an investigator of the Maddie Case into indiscretions

by Tânia Laranjo/Eduardo Dâmaso

One of the PJ inspectors who investigated the Maddie case was the victim of a trap on the Internet. The inspector Ricardo Paiva spoke on Facebook with a woman who introduced herself as an American model, but the talks eventually ended up in the possession of the English media. The inspector was blackmailed, so these conversations were not made ​​public, and now is facing a disciplinary process concerning the breach of civil servant duty. The fake profile on Facebook may have been created by someone connected to the McCanns' cause.

The PJ's directorate already opened an inquest to the inspector: “An English newspaper is in possession of photos and cell phone messages from an PJ inspector and a North America woman”. In that material, the inspector in question identifies himself in that capacity [as an element of the PJ of Portimão] and says that he worked on the Madeleine McCann case. These two facts led to the opening of a disciplinary proceeding as soon as they were communicated to the PJ, confirmed a source from the PJ National Directorate.

As CM was able to find out, those conversations took place soon after the inspector made a comment in a McCann support group in the internet [Facebook]. After this, the inspector believes his computer was the target of an hacking attempt and even admits that some hacker has accessed illegitimately to his personal data.




ongoing translation

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/03/mccann-affair-pj-inspector-caught-in.html

____________________



candyfloss
Super duper Moderator

Posts: 11601
Join date: 2009-11-27
Age: 60

Back to top Go down

Blondes, entrapment, and projection

Post Tony Bennett on Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:05 pm
There appear to be at least three people connected in some way to this story:

Ricardo Paiva: Portuguese detective who has gone down in history as being called by Dr Kate McCann, in her best Scouse: 'F___ing tosser'.

David Bret: Loud- and foul-mouthed author of trashy books who has latched on to the Madeleine McCann case and has been lording it over one of the Madeleine McCann Facebook groups.

Justine Spencer: Believed to be McCann-devotee 'Jayelles'. 'Jayelles' has fallen out in the last few days with Bonnybraes of JATYK notoriety. Her posts are now banned there.

There is a Facebook page in the name of Ricardo Paiva. I assume it is genuinely him, but one can never be sure these days.

On 11 January 2012, Ricardo Paiva (or, alternatively, someone pretending to be him), posted a New Year's message, I think to the FB Madeleine McCann page which Bret infests, which did, somewhat bizarrely, launch into a minor tirade on those apparently hounding Justine Spencer in that group. He pleaded with the group not to post personal and professional attacks on Justine Spencer.

Bret in his typical brutish manner decided to remove Ricardo Paiva from the FB group. Bret claimed that Justine Spencer had tarnished the reputation of another member of that group, one Warren Thornton.

More recently, Bret has admitted to getting into a tangle with Justine Spencer, who reported him to the police regarding hateful e-mails he had allegedly sent to her. He has also posted this message: "So, I'm blamed for setting up Ricardo Paiva. Hands up, they're right".

All will no doubt be revealed in due course, but in the meantime - and on the face of it - it appears that someone, using a considerable amount of guile and skill, has enticed Ricardo Paiva into making some rash comments to someone he believed to be an attractive blonde who claimed she'd taken a shine to him.

And Paiva is facing disciplinary action for his indiscretions and apparently disclosing his PJ identity online.

IF...IF this is really Ricardo Paiva and he is in a spot of bother due to embarrassing comments he has made, then, as the Romans would have said:

CUI BONO?

Or, in good old Anglo-Saxon: who benefits?

I think the answer to that is clear enough, and it is there one must look to find the person who allegedly entrapped and blackmailed Paiva and has given information to a Portuguese and British newspaper.

Though Bret is such a law unto himself that I wouldn't put anything past him.

P.S.1 Speaking of entrapment, have we heard from our member Michael Gunnill alias Michael Sangerte alias Peter Tarwin alias Jason Peters recently?

P.S.2 'Jayelles' = Justine Spencer was last seen at the Case Management hearing on 8 February in the McCann committal-to-prison case. Ill-at-ease and looking thoroughly miserable, she alienated the court by using her mobile 'phone during the court session, whilst my eight supporters there all behaved impeccably. During an adjourment whilst the 4-man legal team from Carter-Ruck decided how to respond to Mr Justice Tugendhat's suggestion that the McCanns cut down the alleged breaches of my undertakings from 153 down to 'no more than 10' (they came back with 26), Jayelles reacted angrily to a group in front of her who were discussing Madeleine's disappearance from a point of view very different from hers. She then e-mailed to her gullible pro-McCann supporters a ridiculously inaccurate report on the court hearing, claiming I 'cut a lonely and pathetic figure' in the court.

Are you sure you weren't projecting your own situation on to someone else, Jayelles?

____________________


Tony Bennett

Posts: 5745
Join date: 2009-11-25
Age: 65
Location: Harlow, Essex

Back to top Go down

Re: McCann affair: PJ Inspector caught in internet trap

Post Truthseeker2012 on Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:52 am
Internet shenanigans have been a regular part of the 'campaign' over the years.

The sick photo posted in the first week of the 3as by Timbo of Skipton (most likely relevant to what this whole case is about, imo), Tony Bennet being set up to provide a copy of his pamphlet and regular trolling of web forums.

Truthseeker2012

Posts: 11
Join date: 2012-03-10

Back to top Go down

Nonsense from the Sun

Post sharonl on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:22 am
Maddie cop ‘sent sex pics’ to Brit woman

Accused ... Ricardo Paiva allegedly sent dirty photos to a British woman
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4186129/Maddie-cop-sent-sex-pics-to-Brit-woman.html

EXCLUSIVE

By ALEX WEST


Published: Today at 00:24


A COP who comforted Madeleine McCann's parents is being probed for allegedly sending filthy photos to a woman.


Portuguese detective Ricardo Paiva is accused of posting them over the internet to a 20-year-old Brit.

Married dad Paiva, in his 40s, is said to have responded after she contacted him about Madeleine's disappearance.

It is claimed he begged the woman — a blonde model — to send him a photo and allegedly replied with an obscene image of himself.



Missing ... Madeleine vanished during a family holiday in 2007


Paiva denies it was him and claims that someone hacked into his Facebook account.

Last night his Polícia Judiciária force confirmed it was investigating and had seized his computer. A source said: "They are checking the possibility Paiva's Facebook page has been hacked."

Inspector Paiva is also alleged to have leaked details of the bungled first police probe into Madeleine's disappearance to the model.

Madeleine was nearly four when she was kidnapped from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve in May 2007.

Grief ... Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry McCann

Family liaison officer Paiva was the cop closest to her devastated parents Kate and Gerry in the following days.

But he later clashed with the couple, both doctors of Rothley, Leics, who were made suspects. In her book "Madeleine", Kate told how Paiva went from being a trusted confidante to her main accuser.Her main accuser how many accussers were there? We were led to believe that it was only Goncalo Amaral that got it wrong.

____________________
The Campaign for Oppressed Libel defendants

http://www.cold2012.org.uk/

sharonl
Co-Admin

Posts: 1300
Join date: 2009-12-29

http://www.cold2012.org.uk
Back to top Go down

Re: McCann affair: PJ Inspector caught in internet trap

Post Angelique on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:49 am
Why am I not surprised by this attempt to discredit Ricardo Pavia.

Even if this was "a lure" it has come from the same source IMO as "the entrapment".

But this must mean TM are getting nervous if they need to resort to these methods.

____________________
Things aren't always what they seem

Angelique

Posts: 585
Join date: 2010-10-19

Back to top Go down

Re: McCann affair: PJ Inspector caught in internet trap

Post Tony Bennett on Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:23 am
At the heart of this issue is the question of whether this posting (below), on Ricardo Paiva's Facebook page, is really his.

It was made I think on 11 January, maybe 12 January.

I have reproduced it here, verbatim, below in blue.

These may be the authentic words of Ricardo Paiva. But I have considerable doubts.

First, it seems very clear that the whole burden of his posting is to defend Justine Spencer. Would Paiva really submit such a lengthy defence of Justine Spencer?

Who gains from Ricardo Paiva's post (if it is he)? Why, Justine Spencer, of course, whoever she is. She is said to live in south-east London, Bromley area, by the way.

She may be 'Jayelles', who until recently inhabited the notorious JATYK forum but was unceremonioulsy booted off there by Bonnybraes last week. If Justine Spencer = 'Jayelles' was also the troubled and depressed-looking woman who turned up at my committal case hearing on 8 February, upset the judge by using her mobile 'phone in court, and then sent a wholly false report of the proceedings to her McCann-supporting contacts, I wouldn't put anything past her.

Second, would the real Ricardo Paiva really come on to a forum and tell everybody that he was 'bound by professional secrecy laws' and then in the very next breath say 'I am still very much involved in the case'?

It seems most unlikley.

Third, the wording and phrases used in the posting seem odd, perhaps others will comment on that.

We read that Paiva has denied that it was he who communicated with the blonde and sent her a photograph of himself. I notice that this story has come out in the Sun on Sunday.

IF Paiva wrote this message above and IF he sent the picture he is alleged to have sent, then he can expect to be disciplined by his PJ employers - and the Sun on Sunday has got a nice little pro-McCann scoop. And probably they had to pay someone for the photograph.

But if this is an elaborate set-up, and Paiva is innocent...my, how low some people and some newspapers can sink in order to advance the McCanns' cause.



ALLEGED RICARDO PAIVA POSTING 11 JAN 2012:

QUOTE


Dear friends

I would like to take this opportunity to wish you all a very happy new year 2012!

In recent years I have noticed that blogs, forums and the social networking sites of facebook and twitter have been THE most powerful tool in order to discuss the case and a most useful arena for the sharing of opinions.

Unlike a book for instance there can be no censorship or proofreading compromising ones freedom of speech allowing everyone to democratically give their opinions in a free and an open manner.

I am all for this and welcome it wholeheartedly.

For obvious reasons I am unable to contribute to your discussions due to professional secrecy laws since I am very much still involved in the case.

I am however able to read your pages and follow many of them with great interest.

Whilst I am an advocate of freedom of speech I have noticed over the past few days the fiercest fighting against those whose views are not shared by you.

Personal attacks are in no way going to dignify the cause in any way at all like the personal and professional attack on Justine Spencer which do not lend dignity to the cause whatsoever.

I would urge you all please to avoid any such future attacks.

This is not a witch hunt afterall and the use of personal data and photographs esp of women (one of whom was not even involved in the case) is abusive after all.

That said I thank you for all your positive support and look forward to seeing you soon in the Court of Lisbon on the 9th and 10th February.

My very best wishes to you all.

UNQUOTE

____________________


Tony Bennett

Posts: 5745
Join date: 2009-11-25
Age: 65
Location: Harlow, Essex

Back to top Go down

Re: McCann affair: PJ Inspector caught in internet trap

Post tigger on Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:29 am
The text doesn't 'smell' like a man who's been seduced by some or other blonde on Facebook.
It's just too explanatory - one would expect other texts to have preceded it, but the specific mention of Justine is highly suspicious. Why should he care?

This makes TWO entrapments imo. Tony and now Piava. Why should this come out now?

quote:
Unlike a book for instance there can be no censorship or proofreading compromising ones freedom of speech allowing everyone to democratically give their opinions in a free and an open manner.

I am all for this and welcome it wholeheartedly.

For obvious reasons I am unable to contribute to your discussions due to professional secrecy laws since I am very much still involved in the case. unquote

A stilted, semi-official statement rather than part of a message.
This has been written imo by a British well educated person. So who might that be? For once that eliminates the McCanns. So someone on TM? pray2bad

This is all wrong, I'm off to put a clothes peg on my nose.

____________________
What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account? Macbeth Act V

tigger

Posts: 4840
Join date: 2011-07-20

Back to top Go down

Re: McCann affair: PJ Inspector caught in internet trap

Post Tony Bennett on Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:53 am
tigger wrote:The text doesn't 'smell' like a man who's been seduced by some or other blonde on Facebook.
It's just too explanatory - one would expect other texts to have preceded it, but the specific mention of Justine is highly suspicious. Why should he care? This makes TWO entrapments imo. Tony and now Paiva. Why should this come out now?...A stilted, semi-official statement rather than part of a message. This has been written imo by a British well-educated person. So who might that be?
What's the betting this was done by Justine Spencer herself?

____________________


Tony Bennett

Posts: 5745
Join date: 2009-11-25
Age: 65
Location: Harlow, Essex

Back to top Go down

Re: McCann affair: PJ Inspector caught in internet trap

Post candyfloss on Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:49 am
Update from Joana Morais on her blog and also a screenshot of what Kate McCann called Ricardo Paiva in her book......................


http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/03/mccann-affair-pj-inspector-caught-in.html

____________________



candyfloss
Super duper Moderator

Posts: 11601
Join date: 2009-11-27
Age: 60

Back to top Go down

Re: McCann affair: PJ Inspector caught in internet trap

Post puzzled on Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:16 am
Could I ask, what is his level of English like? Are there any certainly genuine posts by him that can be used for comparison. Because it looks to me like a native English speaker has written it. There's only one obvious grammatical error( 'do', where there should be 'does'). But you tend to find that even highly competent speakers of English often use structures that are interference from their native language when they write or speak. So I'd like to know what his level of English is.

____________________
...how did you feel the last time you squashed a bug? -psychopathic criminal, quoted in Robert Hare, Without Conscience

puzzled

Posts: 137
Join date: 2011-06-21

Back to top Go down
View previous topic View next topic Back to top
- Similar topics

1 comment:

  1. David, you are like the others in that you have a passionate interest in this case! Some take it to extremes, obviously, but I think you might be well advised to take back seat for a while. I doubt very much if you can ignore it completely, and I can see straight through your 'personal' apology to the 'neglectors'.

    ReplyDelete